20th June coming early

[CLaNZeR]

Well most people interested in this one have probably been following the thread over at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4540.new#new where Archer has been feeding bits at his pace.

Tonight he seems to have a change of heart and is planning on releasing the information tonight.

The build may well begin

Cheers

Sean.

[CLaNZeR]

Will post the instructions here just incase the post dissapears

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Instructions.

To a new beginning, and vindication for all those who tried before and failed, for they understood that if no one man can no everything, then Newton could not write laws that hold true for everything.

Firstly you would do well to examine and understand the large European wheel that uses the springs in the bottles to shift the weights, the error was simple, not enough weight being shifted pro rate to the wheel size and too much friction for the amount of weight being shifted. (I could probably work if modified.)

The basic principal of perpetual motion is not to create energy from nothing, simply to create perpetual motion, this machine does just that but transferring one form of energy to another, the losses normally associated are removed by existing power in the form of magnets, that are basically stored energy that work endlessly. So no magic and nothing you do not understand.

As with two ring magnets on a pole one keeping the other suspended, this was simply put to work.

The original machine unlike the one I am building now worked as follows, the centre axel of the wheel was an 18 volt motor/generator the shaft ran directly to the centre of the wheel, no belts or pulleys. The arms/tubes were around 1meter in length, the internal rods were non magnetic and the weights on each end the same, the total weight was about 1.5 kg per rod, and the tube was stainless. The motor shaft was simply pipe clamped either side of an aluminium disk like the turntable disk, with a ply face glued and screwed over it, and the arms x 3 were fixed equal distance apart each over the top of the other, and simply had aluminium strapping over them to the disk and screwed down (bitch of a job after the first one, get some blocks to hold the pipe in place)

The rods were including the magnets that were disk magnets (not rings) and were around 3-4 inches total short of the arms, at 7 o’clock through to 9 o’clock the was an arc/curved electromagnet (looked like an I beam with the wire around the centre polarising both plates) it was flat I bent it slightly. This when on simply kept the rod from sitting left or centre, so it has to rotate as the weight cannot sit even or left, always to the right. This I believe should work without the rest of the machine if well machined and correctly weighted.

The satellite effect is this, from ten past 12 to (2.30 roughly or you firing mark) there is simply an arc of permanent magnets at this point, they do not lift the rods, they are not meant to, but they should be able to hold the weight of a rod to almost vertical in a tube before letting go. This is the earth, rather than the curve of the earth from outside the circle, I reversed it so the satellite or rod was drawn toward the inside of the curve of the arc, instead of the outside curve of the earth.

Crucial here is to find the point at which the rod lifts from the base magnet during rotation, and the earth arc must finish at around 75 percent of the opposing alignment with the tube.

The effect is this, pushing a full shopping trolley, or pushing one that is being pulled from the front at the same time. The reason for the arc is field, from the top of the arc there is already someone pulling the trolley so to speak, so the magnet at the base has little work to do knowing you have already tested the drop point and strength of the arc. The reason it must finish where it does is the rod should arrive just when it misses the arc, or catches insufficient pull to hold it there, the falling satellite, just cant quite get there only inside out.

Now there is a wall if you try to use permanents at the base rather than draw power from the generator to pulse the base magnet, it can be breached but the weight calculations are difficult , you can use a mica switch for the arms as they are over the base magnet to pulse the electromagnetic or a light beam sensor like a shop door entry. The light beam would only suit a larger wheel. And the power is only used during that pulse. I use the arc system so you don’t need exact positioning over the end of the arm, you need stops at the end of the arm for the rods that are not obtrusive as the arms must almost graze the arcs.

It cannot be anything but unbalanced, for the first time in your life you are trying to imagine the opposite, how can it stop? How can the arm ever sit left or centre, and there are always more than one weight on the wrong side of the wheel? So how can I make it not turn?? You can’t

God speed.


Archer Quinn

[CLaNZeR]

05 may 2008 Archer has updated his site, same statement as bove but with a few extra bits

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Surprise, instructions below now.

Instructions.



To a new beginning, and vindication for all those who tried before and failed, for they understood that if no one man can no everything, then Newton could not write laws that hold true for everything.



Firstly you would do well to examine and understand the large European wheel that uses the springs in the bottles to shift the weights, the error was simple, not enough weight being shifted pro rate to the wheel size and too much friction for the amount of weight being shifted. (I could probably work if modified.)



The basic principal of perpetual motion is not to create energy from nothing, simply to create perpetual motion, this machine does just that but transferring one form of energy to another, the losses normally associated are removed by existing power in the form of magnets, that are basically stored energy that work endlessly. So no magic and nothing you do not understand.



As with two ring magnets on a pole one keeping the other suspended, this was simply put to work.



The original machine unlike the one I am building now worked as follows, the centre axel of the wheel was an 18 volt motor/generator the shaft ran directly to the centre of the wheel, no belts or pulleys. The arms/tubes were around 1meter in length, the internal rods were non magnetic and the weights on each end the same, the total weight was about 1.5 kg per rod, and the tube was stainless. The motor shaft was simply pipe clamped either side of an aluminium disk like the turntable disk, with a ply face glued and screwed over it, and the arms x 3 were fixed equal distance apart each over the top of the other, and simply had aluminium strapping over them to the disk and screwed down (bitch of a job after the first one, get some blocks to hold the pipe in place)



The rods were including the magnets that were disk magnets (not rings) and were around 3-4 inches total short of the arms, at 7 o’clock through to 9 o’clock the was an arc/curved electromagnet (looked like an I beam with the wire around the centre polarising both plates) it was flat I bent it slightly. This when on simply kept the rod from sitting left or centre, so it has to rotate as the weight cannot sit even or left, always to the right. This I believe should work without the rest of the machine if well machined and correctly weighted.



The satellite effect is this, from ten past 12 to (2.30 roughly or you firing mark) there is simply an arc of permanent magnets at this point, they do not lift the rods, they are not meant to, but they should be able to hold the weight of a rod to almost vertical in a tube before letting go. This is the earth, rather than the curve of the earth from outside the circle, I reversed it so the satellite or rod was drawn toward the inside of the curve of the arc, instead of the outside curve of the earth.



Crucial here is to find the point at which the rod lifts from the base magnet during rotation, and the earth arc must finish at around 75 percent of the opposing alignment with the tube.



The effect is this, pushing a full shopping trolley, or pushing one that is being pulled from the front at the same time. The reason for the arc is field, from the top of the arc there is already someone pulling the trolley so to speak, so the magnet at the base has little work to do knowing you have already tested the drop point and strength of the arc. The reason it must finish where it does is the rod should arrive just when it misses the arc, or catches insufficient pull to hold it there, the falling satellite, just cant quite get there only inside out.



Now there is a wall if you try to use permanents at the base rather than draw power from the generator to pulse the base magnet, it can be breached but the weight calculations are difficult , you can use a mica switch for the arms as they are over the base magnet to pulse the electromagnetic or a light beam sensor like a shop door entry. The light beam would only suit a larger wheel. And the power is only used during that pulse. I use the arc system so you don’t need exact positioning over the end of the arm, you need stops at the end of the arm for the rods that are not obtrusive as the arms must almost graze the arcs.



It cannot be anything but unbalanced, for the first time in your life you are trying to imagine the opposite, how can it stop? How can the arm ever sit left or centre, and there are always more than one weight on the wrong side of the wheel???? So how can I make it not turn?? You can’t.



The reality is opposite to what every critic believes, get someone to, build a drive rod that can sit left or centre against the repulsion now that “is” impossible, so if it can only stay on the right side of the machine, that side will keep falling.



Here is the kicker, what about arguments of weight versus lift etc, well I did string them along with that for long enough for the machine not to be taken too seriously by those who would shut down the site. Let them double the normal losses of momentum, don’t let the weight whatever it may be run up to 11 o’clock from 1 o’clock (normal swing) let them double what they think is lost, and sit down and ponder how much energy is now needed to get lift. How much is that exactly again??? Um, none, surprise!!!! The ring magnets on the pole have no wheel, in fact at 45 degrees the gap “increases” and remember none of that includes the satellite effect, so how much loss is there to friction times newtons grandmothers birthday?



Who bloody cares, if the base magnet on a ring pole equals the outside of the circle/wheel, and you push down on the top magnet to get your rod to sit centre on the wheel when you build it, it will sit to the right forever, (well at least 20 years)



And magnet cost and energy to make, I bought a chess board from a two dollar shop that had full chess and draughts set with magnets, not counting the cost of the pieces board packaging an profits, I can buy cheap stereos for 5 dollars with large speaker magnets not counting the rest of the device.



Magnets do not cost a lot, nor do they take vast energy to make, even if they burned power to make them, so what? Use energy from these machines to make them.



Sorry about having to send you through the physics loop over power to weight ratios, but if the device was known and let loose on that day, what would have happened on the 19th of June???????? It had to be surpise and it had to have an elemnt of doubt. Hey if you can have someone bumped for 10,000 a president for a million, a country invasion for a billion, what would control of all the worlds power be worth??? Nothing now baby, it’s free.



I will still be rebuilding my own and releasing plans on that date, but by then I expect many will have done the same thing.



No creation of energy, no magic, and best of all no need for loss calculations, unless of course gravity stops altogether .



Naturally if you are an engineer bearings on the rods at contact points etc to remove travel friction and so on.



Make the rod sit to the right or centre, no politician or scientific bullshit story can ever make that happen. It really is over. Told ya so.



Damn I forgot to con everyone out of millions, bugger.



God speed. Don’t forget to copy and paste it whilst it is still up just in case.



Archer Quinn

[Prana]

Clanzer,
Do you have enough info to build or are you still waiting? He says disk magnets but does he mean rod magnets, inside of a tube? The generator is running as both a motor and generator, except when it is triggered and kicks the wheel? It's hard to get a full picture so far.

[CLaNZeR]

Originally Posted by Prana

Clanzer,
Do you have enough info to build or are you still waiting? He says disk magnets but does he mean rod magnets, inside of a tube? The generator is running as both a motor and generator, except when it is triggered and kicks the wheel? It's hard to get a full picture so far.

Hi Prana

I was expecting more from his announcement, I must admit.
He has described how his first small model worked that he has now trashed and says his new model that was due for the 20th June release is different ?

I can see the angle now where he is coming from and have sat here for a few hours trying to draw up in my mind what he means and my conclusion is that the sizes and dimensions need to be pretty spot on and I do not have the time at the moment to take the build and try with luck method!

I think I will hold back a bit more yet, as there are 1000 claims like this on the internet that all do not show dimensions etc etc, so to me at the moment this is still theory until someone stumbles across the right combination or we will wait till the 20th and see what Archer shows.

Interesting times though for 2008 as we have a few other claims going on at the moment.

Cheers

Sean.

[Prana]

Thanks for clarifying your take on this so far. When someone makes a claim and shows so much confidence, you really want to give them the benefit of the doubt, or rather of the belief. It seems like his first device used a 12-volt battery and he scrapped it so people wouldn't get the idea that it was using external energy. I guess that all we can do is wait to see if he comes through with more concrete info. Let's hope 2008 will be the year for a real workable energy system!

[Harvey]

I did read his description and although it seems a bit confusing at first I think I have an understanding of what he is doing.

Essentially this is what I visualize:
1. Affix some plywood to a disc sander face. You know, the large shop floor type. These are connected directly to a motor shaft. ( I think he used an 18V DC motor)

2. Then take 3 non-magnetic tubes 1 meter long and using a conduit clamp secure them to the plywood 120 degrees apart.

3. Install a pulse coil at the 9 o'clock position secured to the frame so the tubes will pass by.

4. Install an arc of permanent magnets from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock (they should be on adjustable hardware)

5. Install a trigger mechanism to fire the pulse coil when a tube is at 7 o'clock. The pulse needs to be strong enough to carry the tube past the coil. (You could reverse the polarity after to help push it farther)

6. The non-magnetic rods and disc magnets that slide in the tubes total about 33-35" so they will be about 4 to 6 inches short of the end of the tube's 39.37 inches.

7. Not mentioned, but alluded to: A permanent magnet, diametrically magnetized, needs to be frame affixed at the hub. Disc magnets need to be at both ends of the weights. This central magnet will pull the weight to the center at 6 o'clock and push it to the outside at 12 o'clock. The satellite arc will assist in bringing the weights all the way out by 2 o'clock.

The expectation is that power generated will exceed that needed to run the pulse coil. This design is self limiting. As the speed increases the weights will remain 'out' thus defeating the balance asymmetry and causing the device to slow down to it's 'natural' speed. The torque from a single tube moving from 2:00 to 4:00 must exceed the counter torque of the other two tubes moving from 6:00 to 8:00 and 10:00 to 12:00 plus the friction of the weights sliding minus the assist from the pulse coil.

I would put two pulse coils. One in attraction at 3:00 and one in repulsion at 8:45. This would assist in keeping the weights where we need them.

Replicators may want to scale this down a bit for cost to achieve proof of concept.

Cheers,

Harvey

[Craigy]

Is this bloke another scammer ? i draw you attention to this.

http://www.inventored.org/caution/archer-quinn/


Professional inventors wish to help invention promotion companies do the best job possible. To that end we are collaborating with numerous State and Federal agencies to help invention promotion firms achieve their full potential.

In the case of Archer Quinn - AKA Kevin Thomas, he is demanding that his name be removed from the "Watch" list under threat of bringing a SLAPP.

It is a fact that Archer Quinn has provided no verifiable credentials in the invention promotion field. Yet he is offering invention promotion services to people in North America for a mere $100 US (Quinn is in Australia).

It has been widely reported that many companies whose services are of questionable value - or even outright fraud - threaten to sue, and in some cases even threaten to hurt, those who speak out about the problem. A warning for those who would try to quell free speech in the inventor community. I work extensively with many journalists and other media. Any threats, to sue or otherwise, will be promptly passed to the media. This will get the questionable party much more publicity than this page alone does.
Any company who actually brings a SLAPP suit will be counter sued, and all appropriate information gleaned in discovery will be passed to the appropriate law enforcement authorities.


hwww.InventorEd.org/caution/archer-quinn/ personal profile, self described occupation "bum".

http://www.kftv.com/company-11205911.html

[Harvey]

@craigy,

It's difficult to ascertain. His responses are congruent with a 'typical' savant (if there is such a thing). His work ethics borderline paranoia and he demonstrates an artistic characteristic. He seems to display a need for recognition which is satisfied partly by his work in the film industry and project completion. He does not seek money because he already has venues to provide this almost to excess, boasting over 1M AUD taxable income. His primary motivation seems to be recognition and a stab against oil.

I think he believes in his design and he has confidence in his superiority in most situations. He seems to have a mild fixation on Newton and although he claims to not break any phyiscial laws he claims to breaking Newtonian physics.

His work is worth investigating and his acheivements deserve the merited accolades, but caution is in order. His New Davinci's website seems to be defunct.

That's my take on it.

[mrgrynch]

I definitely take away a desire for attention as well. His insights are very pragmatic, and almost self-evident (at least to him). I find that often, when people feel Newton is wrong about something, its because of a rigid (and incorrect) interpretation of his "laws". Take my own experience for example:

When I first started in my gravity theory, I was convinced that I had determined that Newton was wrong about the gravity force, because my calculations had the force being twice the product of the mass, over the square of the distance. I shouted this from every venue I could find, convinced I was right. The math was not wrong! I then realized that he was referring to magnitudes and that the force was proportional to the product, not equal, thus requiring an implicit proportionality constant. This constant, of course would encapsulate any "hidden" values, once it was measured, and the resulting force would be correct.

So, I concur with Harvey. The man definitely believes in what he claims. Whether or not he's actually got the goods will be meted out soon enough, so there is no harm in maintaining a cautious optimism.

He is right about one thing, however, the "laws" are not Newton's to write, or anyone elses for that matter. Nature cares not for out "laws". It is us, who is trying to guess at her design. And until we see the blueprints, it's just a guess!

Best regards,
-Dave

[dannybuntu]

@craigy thanks for the dose of cold water.

[mrgrynch]

It seems Mr. Quinn has gone off the deep end..

Looking at his site this morning, I see:

"The other pages are now removed so as not to distract from the point of the site"

But the only pages remaining is a rant. So I guess that is the point of his site.. a forum for everyone to listen to his babble.

We'll see what the 20th holds, but I'm not holding my breath.

[CLaNZeR]

Oh well fun while it lasted!

He has taken the links down but pages are still on the server

So if you have not already archived them then here ya go

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage2.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage3.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage4.html

Cheers

Sean.

[oak]

There is now new content in the "up yours" section, www.surphzup.com/gpage777.html.

[gaby de wilde]

How about you contact the guy? I'm sure you can just talk with the him about what he is doing? Don't be shy now?

The pdf says what company he works with. Seems byzar to pin the claims on the person.

[blue_energy]

Originally Posted by CLaNZeR

Oh well fun while it lasted!

He has taken the links down but pages are still on the server

So if you have not already archived them then here ya go

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage2.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage3.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage4.html

Cheers

Sean.

His equipment list has everything but an oscillation overthruster...

"Where are we going?"
"Planet 10!"
"When?"
"Real Soon!"

[Omega_0]

redriderno22 claims that he has a working replica

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/t....html#msg98941

anyone knows him here ?

[Harvey]

Trying to wrap my brain around that Egyptian fulcrum...

Is this close?

http://urad.net/forums/gallery/displ...=38&fullsize=1

;D